The Boston Globe

Opinion

Joan Vennochi

Mitt Romney loses the battle of ideas

During a post-election conference call, Mitt Romney told disappointed donors that President Obama won the election by promising “gifts” to different groups of disadvantaged voters.

Democrats pounced. So did Republicans who are positioning themselves for 2016 by distancing themselves from their defeated nominee. Romney doesn’t get it, they said.

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Mitt has made it plain that he has nothing but absolute contempt for about half of this country. Based on that I have 2 questions for him: 1)Why did you want to be the leader of a country wherein you can't stand half of the population, 2)If you detest us so much (and I'm GD sick of hearing of hearing you say it Mr. Romney), why don't you leave the ountry?

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Because his dad said first you start a business, then you give money to the church, then you go into politics, and then you become president.   Romney quote.

Our President doesn't have any ideas Joan, well except for raising taxes on the rich, other than that see nothing. Maybe your next article should be how we get this country moving and our bad economy going, you know, a plan. He could certainly start with meeting with his jobs council, it's only been 8 months. But it's more fun ripping romney right Joan.

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If you only listen to a single, partisan news outlet, you can perhaps be excused for missing some of his initiatives.  For example "To save taxpayer money and help bolster competitiveness, President Obama called on Congress earlier this year to restore authority—last held by President Reagan—that would allow him to consolidate all the departments and agencies that focus on business and trade into one more efficient department. This authority would give him the same ability as any business owner to streamline operations to meet changing circumstances and the demands of business."  Then, of course, there's our nation's recent progress on energy independence.

As has happened in this past election cycle, the press has chosen to shoot the meseenger stating the obvious. And the candidate advocating personal responsibility hadnt sensed the prevailing trend in the country. The race to avaerage...and mediocrity.

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I wake up every day so thankful that  Obama is still President.  And while articles like this one do serve a purpose, I'm looking forward to the day when Mitt truly fades from the public eye,  You know, like, people really don't write about Bob Dole for example. No offence to Bob Dole.  Joan,  why don't you do a story about how the entire Republican platform is now built on BS mountain! 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've never been a Romney fan, but don't agree that he only has himself to blame for his loss.  He's part of a party that promoted ideas that would take the country backwards, when most preferred to go forward.

The powerful Republicans didn't want a leader, they wanted someone they could control, who would do things that would give them more power and wealth.  Romney was the perfect candidate - he wanted to win so badly that he made his backbone disappear and changed his positions like a chameleon.  That dynamic alone showed us that he's not a good leader.

That Romney was so insulated that he was shocked at his loss, and his statements afterwards are just more proof that the country made the right choice.

 

He lost because he is an idiot with one blind ambition and no serious thought beyond that.  

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Mitt's plan for the nation would likely have mirrored his business experience at Bain (and the current efforts at Hostess): Just, gut the pension plan, lose the pesky workforce, and sell off the all the valuable assets, concentrating the cash into the hands of a few self-described 'smartest guys in the room'.  The displaced Americans could have simply re-started their lives in other, more efficient countries. 

Please. Let this be the last postmortem on Mitt! He lost because he ran an ineffective campaign, but in the end, most people just didn't like him, and for good reason.Near as I can figure, he would have unraveled years of social progress. Hope he enjoys his retirement into a quiet life.

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127GUY: "now the true misery begins. Looking forward to it..."  REFLECTION: Hmmm...sounds like you want that misery, 127guy, perhaps to confirm your point of view about Mr. Obama. It reminds me of Mitch McConnell's bald statement in 2009 that the legislative task he regarded as foremost was making Obama a 1-term president, and that at a time of national crisis in the wake of the Bush presidency - truly, partisanship at its worst. Was that what you meant, or were you using sarcasm, first resort of trolls everywhere?

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As Joan and her howling band of haters gloat, one has to wonder what, exactly did Barck Obama do to earn a second term?  The economy is still in the ditch.  The spending that was meant to "stimulate" the economy has increased our national debt by 60% in 4 short years.  His health care "reform" has raised health insurance premiums, and begun to cost jobs-shed by companies working around the onerous health insurance requirements, and by medical device makers who will be subject to profit choking taxes in 2013.

Yes, Mitt failed to win, for many reasons.  But how can any clear thinging, rational person believe that Barack Obama has earned a seconf term?  It is irrational.  Yes, the takers of our society who need free birth control, food stamps and other forms of welfare may beleiev they are better off with a left wing president.  But as a nation, our downward slide is now guaranteed to continue.  And taxing the rich will not stop it-as California, France and other socialist states have learned.

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Thanks for you input, Tagg.

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Neither Mitt nor the Republican Party nor most of the folks on the far right seem to understand the term "gifts".  The coal miner, the truck driver, the young couple both working at Wal Marts with a couple of kids, don't consider SS, Medicare, unemployment or Health care as gifts.  They view them as things they worked for, paid for and are indeed entitled too.  Mitt and his cohorts live in a world where putting aside 1.5 millioin for retirement is merely chump change.  Veterans benefits well if one is mauled doing there duty he'll willingly keep you out of poverty.  But the rest, hey military service is a good deal for the chumps in Mitts mind and many others, perhaps to good a deal.

This Republican Party lives in a world that exists only in past centuries and really didn't exist then.  Well it did but only for them.  In their world unions didn't give the worker power to raise his income it merely stole from the owners.  This party truly believes the rich are blessed by God and the poor have failed both themselves and God.  To these folks the country is crawling with the indigent, the poor and the illegal, but in reality that classification includes every working stiff in the country.

Gifts?  For these folks sharing the nations wealth, its resources are the gifts.  You see, in their minds the nation and its wealth doesn't belong to all of us, it belongs to them.  What the rest of us receive from this bounty is all that rightly belongs to them and what we get is their "gift" to us.

Joan, Appreciate the insightful analysis. To me, Romney seems to believe that he can simply show up in his perfectly tailored suit and take what he feels entitled to. The Presidency, maybe, would have been the pinnacle of great accomplishment in his eyes. Though the thought of actually being a leader for our country doesn't motivate him. That is why we didn't hear any great plans. He has no vision for us; only for Mitt. If he somehow got into office he surely would have profited though we would have suffered.

Can't find anything or anyone else to bash now that the elections are over? Just a few quick comments; BO never explained a policy for turning the economy around either (jobs, etc.) Or did I miss something? He also catered to "special" groups that put him over the top. And one last point to all you do-gooders, since when is "wealth" a dirty word? Isn't that part of the American dream? Work hard, make smart investments, save, etc.... when you bleeding heart liberals continue to play the "rich is bad & evil" card (one of many in your deck), what exactly are you trying to prove? Finally, before you post stupid, uninformed comments, based on media sound bites, why don't you study the real people and issues. Happy Thanksgiving.

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Actually I think you missed something.  I tend to be a fiscal conservative and a social liberal.  The argument isn't over the idea that "rich" is evil.  The argument is over how we fund a government and what the government should or should not do.  If you believe as some on my "far right" believe that "they" live in a vacumn, that what impacts upon others does not impact upon us then I suppose from that perspective you are getting robbed blind.  However, for some of us the body politic has decided it wants certain things, SS, Medicare etc. worthwhile programs that serve a legitimate purpose, from our perspective we then must pay for them.   If that means higher taxes that's what it means.  I would suggest rather than call these folks stupid you get a better grip on what it means to be fiscally conservative.

Happy Thanksgiving to you too.

Because this government IS "fiscally conservative???" And just to clarify a point, I did not call "these folks stupid." I referred to the "stupid, uninformed" comments. Try and read rather than remove from context. You are obviously into believing media sound bites. I make my point. Again, Happy Thanksgiving.

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Obama was Santa Claus, promising us prosperity and jobs through wind, solar, increased oil drilling and shale gas.  Romney promised us coal.

Romney is just telling the conservative base what he thinks it wants to hear, which is what he did in the primaries and then when he flipped to the center during the debates to attract moderates. It's his M.O. as a businessman to say or do anything to close the deal, and in his world he got underbid by the competition. So blame it on the other guy and move on.


This is kind of president he would have been, for good or worse. He should move to Utah and be governor for life. They would love him there, and not just because he's a Mormon. He would probably do a lot of good there. But he is not a good choice for president.

Implement Simpson-Bowles, Put Glass-Steagall back in force, No deductions beyond the Home mortgage and Charity (except charities/non profits with overhead of more than 30% or managers costing more than $100,000 a year--these charitiy scammers should be denied tax deduction status and closed down). Eliminate All government benefits to people under 65 years old after 5 years in a lifetime. Tax all income beyond 1 million dollars a year at 99%. 

 

Everyone is unhappy so this must be the right way forward!!!

Obama’s vision

 

If you had done your job, along w/ the rest of the MSM ilk, you would have shown Obama has no vision in 2008 or now

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You lost, move on.  You're just embarrassing yourself.  But, while you're at it, please remind us of the specifics of Romney's plan.  I know it had five points and changed daily...

Boy those Massachusetts-based advisors really whiffed. Romney the suburbanite of the 2002 Gov race probably would have cleaned up (though never would have made though the Republican primaries). Well I guess dumb advice to this guy is yet another Massachusetts gift to the nation

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I hope one columnist has the professionalism to report on Obama's awful Asian trip and the numerous gaffes and insults

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Really the last I heard it was really successful.  What gaffes and insults did I miss.  I always enjoy those no matter who makes them. .

They're desperate, so are jumping all over a mis-pronounciation, an imagined protocal violation, and Obama's use of both Burma and Myanmar.  The horrors!

http://www.nationalreview.com/media-blog/333773/president-obamas-asia-trip-gaffes-greg-pollowitz#

P.s. You have to remember that certain people are willing to believe anything bad about the President, especially if it comes from Breitbart or the NRO.

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The basic problem with Mitt is that he has had a life of privelege and doesn't understand that opportunity isn't available to everyone. He has no empathy for those other than himself. There are certainly many in the "43%" who are jobbing the system but you can't paint that group with a broad brushstroke like Mitt does. The fact of the matter is that he doesn't get, never will, and that's why he's not president.

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"esfsdfsdf"  http://www.nationalreview.com/media-blog/333773/president-obamas-asia-trip-gaffes-greg-pollowitz#

That's it.  Those are the gaffes.  No walking into doors or throwing up.  Heck that's not funny.  I thought there would be some good stuff.  Oh well.  Nothing to have fun with there.  That's really reaching for a beef or a flaw.  I love political gaffes but those are of absolutely no use.

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They don't even come close to Romney's European Vacation gaffes and those were pretty lame. The Bush family remains undefeated.

Now "lesvalseuses" little quote is funny, "W: "What the French need is a word for rendezvous."  Now that's funny.

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Regarding those so-called 'gaffes' on Mr. Obama's Asia trip: Really? A few slight mispronunciations? These sorts of things happen all the time with leaders of all stripes and hardly qualify as gaffes. What happened to Mr. Romney on his Europe/Israel trip was on a whole different level: insulting his British hosts' competence at running an Olympics; inadvertently insulting the Palestinians by attributing Israeli's GDP edge over the Palestinians to 'cultural vitality', apparently unaware of the occupation; and, talking out of both sides of his mouth as he praised the Polish shipyard unions even though his audience knew full well he and his party were and are virulently anti-union at home. The National Review Online article linked below isn't journalism, alas, just intellectually dishonest partisan hackery.

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"Mitt Romney never told voters how the policies he embraced as a presidential candidate would be a path to jobs, opportunity, and independence." He couldn't tell voters because his policies would not have led to any of those things.