As the liberal elite do the hokey-pokey over the inevitable amnesty that is coming our way, there is an elephant in the room that no one seems to care about.  The consequence of this amnesy will be a stream of illegal immigration that will be in the tens of millions, and we will have no choice but to grant amnesty to everyone who comes.

Securing the border is nice.  But the majority of illegals did not enter through a porous border.  They came in legally with a tourist visa, and just never went home.  Once this becomes law, every tourist who comes to this country can stay, legally, and work legally from day one.  Our nation will change irreversibly, as millions flock here from all over the world.  They will come as tourists, and stay as legal "guest workers".  Ultimately, they will become reliably Democrat voting citizens.

The GOP must put a limit on this.  The only way to stop this would be to put in to the law an end date.  This will grant amnesty to only those who register by a certain date.  But I doubt it will happen.  Goodbye, USA.

Renee Loth habla tonterías. La gente puede aprender Inglés, si así lo desean. Los contribuyentes no tienen que pagar por ello.

Now therein lies the problem.  Now the concern is "legals" are staying "illegally".  Now securing the border is merely nice not the screaming necessity it was two days ago. The problem is that every problem is a political problem, every problem is either solved through a "liberal" position or a "conservative" position.  A problem can't simply be a legal problem it has to be an ideological one.  Murder, political.  Health Care, political.  How many cats a person owns, political.  The size of a soft drink, political. Weather, political.  Vaccines, political.  It is nonsensical, stupid and no way to fix any problem.  From agriculture to science everything is, political.  Guess what?  It's not.

Proposals are on the table that can and will fix the issue of immigration.  Are there problems with it?  Sure there are.  Is the English requiement dumb?  From my perspective it is, no one said the Italian's or the Poles or the Russians had to learn English first but they did.  However, if it is part of the requirements to fix the problem, so be it.  Will others slip under the proposal probably, but nothing is perfect.  It won't be tens of millions or even hundreds of thousands.

Let us merely fix the problem as best we can and forget this nonsense about "liberal" or "conservative".  We are talking about people's lives not ideological theory.

Renee's position is that creating a path to citizenship necessarily creates a new taxpayer-funded entitlement.  It doesn't.  If becoming a U.S. citizen is important enough to illegal aliens they will learn English on their own.  Self help groups will spring up.  Political activists competing for the support of newly enfranchised citizens will gladly teach english to the newcomers to our shores.  While Renee thinks the solution to this problem is more government spending, that is because Renee thinks the solution to every problem is more government spending.

The English requirement is not the hard part.  One does not need an instructor, if they simply immerse themselves in our culture.  The requirement will force people NOT to isolate themselves in their own tribe, but to assimilate into our culture.  It is a choice, and if they want to get that green card, and get that citizenship ring, they will have to choose to assimilate.

I just continue to be astounded how this has been termed "a failed (or wrecked) immigration system".  The "system" worked just fine until our trusty gov decided not to secure the borders, not to really enforce sending back those who came here temporarily for whatever reason.

Of course, we have a large segment of the population who thinks it is a good idea to be nice to people who are here illegally.  Afterall, they are just trying to find a better life.  Nevermind they just messed it up for everyone else trying to legally enter the country.

Secure the borders, enforce sending back those who come on temporary visas and the "wrecked system" is fixed.  All that remains is to deal with the illegal aliens who arrived during the gov's stupidity.

Now we hear that the border should not be secured?  Really?  Did someone fall on their head, or is this one of those "global citizens"?

If it takes these illegal aliens longer than they would like to become citizens, gee, that is just breaking my heart.  If they are sooo unhappy, the border is thataway.  When they came here, they had no hopes of ever becoming citizens, now they want to complain?  Or is it that the dems would like to make them citizens faster, to get votes?  What a crock.

th problem is the people making the rules are bot playing for vvotes, not the best solution

Jeff Sessions, ranking member on the Senate Budget Committee, sums up the administration’s sorry history in a press release titled: “Immigration And The Welfare State: How The Obama Administration Defies Federal Law.”

It is an explicit and unambiguous tenet in federal law that those granted entry into the U.S. must be able to support themselves financially. But the Obama Administration has aggressively defied this strict federal statute.­ What are new promises worth when existing law is unilaterally waived?

Last year, the Ranking Members of Budget, Finance, Judiciary, and Agriculture Committees wrote an oversight letter to Secretaries Napolitano and Clinton that said in part:

The [Immigration and Nationality Act] specifically states: “An alien who…is likely at any time to become a public charge is inadmissible.” … We were thus shocked to discover that both the State Department and DHS exclude reliance on almost all governmental welfare programs when evaluating whether an alien is likely to become a public charge….Under your interpretation, an able-bodied immigrant of working age could receive the bulk of his or her income in the form of federal welfare and still not be deemed a “public charge.”

DHS even has a website, WelcomeToUSA.gov, that features a page promoting welfare benefits to newly arrived immigrants. (Some of these benefits, under law, should automatically disqualify the applicants from entry into the U.S. The page is also being updated to promote free coverage under the President’s health law.) Yet DHS has completely stonewalled the Committees’ oversight efforts—not replying to a single inquiry. Initial data from the State Department shows that just 0.068 percent of visa applications were denied in 2011 on the grounds of being a welfare risk. (The rate is even less—0.003 percent—when one takes into account those who are able to overcome public-charge denials in subsequent years.) In other words: Despite laws to the contrary, virtually no one is being turned away from the United States for being welfare-reliant.

Relatedly, USDA Secretary Tom Vilsack has stopped complying with efforts to learn more about his Department’s efforts to enroll immigrants and non-citizens on 15 USDA-administered welfare programs. The Department has even produced and broadcast soap opera-like “radio novelas” featuring individuals who were pressured into accepting benefits despite insisting that government assistance was not needed. USDA has also entered into a partnership with Mexico to boost welfare enrollment among non-citizens. Thanks in part to such controversial tactics, food stamp usage among immigrants has quadrupled since 2001. Vilsack missed deadlines in October and December to answer questions about USDA’s activities.

Against this backdrop, it should come as no surprise that a recent Center for Immigration Services study found that 36 percent of immigrant-headed households received at least one welfare benefit in 2010 (including public housing). The Heritage Foundation’s Robert Rector offered this mathematical analysis in 2007: “On average, low-skill immigrant families receive $30,160 per year in government benefits and services while paying $10,573 in taxes, creating a net fiscal deficit of $19,587 that has to be paid by higher-income taxpayers… It takes the entire net tax payments (taxes paid minus benefits received) of one college-educated family to pay for the net benefits received by one low-skill immigrant family.”

As Ranking Member Sessions has explained, “Encouraging self-sufficiency must be a bedrock for our immigration policy, with the goal of reducing poverty, strengthening the family, and promoting our economic values. But Administration officials and their policies are working actively against this goal.”

the end of America.  just like roman empire when there borders weren't enforced

In truth, the immigrarion system works pretty well.  But it is the political ambition that is driving the amnesty push.  So we have 11 Million illegals, so what?  If we cut off all government aide, make it impossible for them to work, and apply harsh legal consequences for those who are caught, that population will drop faster than anyhting you have ever seen.  Enforcement will solve the problem.

But that is not what the politicians are concerned about.  They want Latino voters, and now even the GOP is being seduced by this.

As to the need for labor, we can create a guest worker program that allows temporary residence in our land for the onion pickers who want to come here, temporarily, because they want the work.

The need for Latino votes, and the millions of new immigrants this will attract,  will lead to an end to our country as we know it.  

When the conversation gets to it's all about the "Mexicans" or the "Latinos"   I'm out of it and want no part of these ethnically specific conversations as to me that only leads to one thing, says one thing and I don't go there.

The bad news for those who oppose immigration reform is that it will happen.  The bad news for those who have some weird love affair with what America was or is or could have been based upon its European heritage I suggest you move back to Europe where your people immigrated from some legally, some illegally.  The demographics are changing and I don't see that as "liberal" or "conservative" unless one wishes to call conservative a love affair with the fifties. 

List your excuses, list your complaints and it changes nothing.  Latino's are here to stay and I'm glad of it.  I like the culture, like the music and like the Latino's that I know and have known.  They're just people like everyone else and desire the same things, jobs, money, family etc. 

A large voting block says "Let us do crimes with no consequence" ... that's what Democracy is all about Ms. Loth?

Step 1 - Tax the HECK out of wiring money south!