?????First they get away with discriminating against Asian and white students in the admissions department,now they are against single sex housing,whats next
This is absurd. Belong to a single gender organization and you lose a number of significant opportunities. Leadership in sports? Post-graduate scholarships? Those are kind of a big deal.
I propose the following: every faculty member that belongs to a single gender organization should immediately lose tenure. Any current or previous member of leadership should lose all retirement benefits and the ability to serve as a board member or trustee of any other organization. They are perfectly able to join and participate, they just lose access to certain privileges...
Do what you wish but finals clubs are themselves privilege concentrating organizations which help members network, get jobs, appointments, memberships in other privileged organizations over a life time. They parasitize the Harvard 'brand' as they are not open to non-Harvard students. This is true whether they are male or female only clubs. So your argument and suggestions are based on a false analogy.
College students should be free to associate with same-sex or mixed-sex organizations - without penalty. How ironic that this misguided policy - that discriminates against sororities - was inaugurated by former Harvard President Faust, who graduated from an all-female college, Bryn Mawr.
i am sure they do just like they freaked out over some 19th c. stain glass window with a cotton flower in the design. stop doing thought control Harvard and micromanaging who your students want to hang out in their off time. Lame mission, futile mission and offensive. I think with the 1000% full frontal social political indoctrination that Harvard inundates its kids with, can't they have a bit of space to join clubs that suit them instead ofyou and give it a rest. Getting rid of the clubs as the VA political meltdown is demonstrating will never get rid of drunken college kids gone bad; they will still drink AND the bad apples among them will end up being creton rapists getting rid of social clubs at Harvard will never end that. Just give it up and focus on getting more public school kids into Harvard instead of your elitist legacy crowd and particularly from the Mid West, West, and Appalachia. How about that for a diversity strategy. Give it up and leave these clubs alone.
I am a Harvard graduate and was a member of a male-only final club. Adding female-only clubs is a positive step. Harvard’s involvement in this issue originated significantly from drinking and related assaults on women involving college students nationally. For this reason, I would vote for my final club going coed, only if the club went dry. Not likely.
Harvard administration moved to the current coercion with penalties enforced, I believe on its face in violation of the basic right of peaceful assembly by students as they chose. One professor put forth a motion to vote that Harvard was in fact in violation of this basic civil right. It was seen as too powerful and withdrawn.
Harvard’s motto is VERITAS – TRUTH in Latin. I see Harvard’s legal arguments very far from the truth of what is now forced upon student choice and why it is happening.
We have a generation of kids that melt down from FB dislikes and other social media attacks. Most of these problems stem from the lack of socialization skills. Final clubs, whether they are same sex or coed, can help offset this. This is just another example of political correctness by Harvard. As parents, we don’t want our kids moving back into our basements because they didn’t get a chance to mature while in college!
Why on earth would women want to join male-only ‘social clubs’? Dudes are gross. Secondly, these are not fraternities and sororities, they are finals clubs which are co-ed.... what’s the problem again?
This issue has had several airings in the past few years. The Final Clubs were told to become coed. Most refused. The women-only clubs weren’t included in this politically correct over-reach until Harvard decided to create a policy which would effectively ban the final club’s. It is puzzling that the most exclusive university in the country has an issue with exclusiveness in organizations that have been around for 10 generations. This issue has angered alums and cost the university millions in donations while at the same time it has demoralized students, men and women, who resent the heavy-handed policy of the very PC administration. Hopefully Harvard will lose this suit and let the kids assemble as they wish.
Agreed. I am an alum and have stopped donating, and know a number of alums who have taken the same action. I never tried to join a club because I because I thought it was way too elitist, but I never begrudged them their right to exist. It’s a very slippery slope when you start regulating who people can associate with on their own time. Remember, the clubs get no financial support from the university. The PC police have clearly taken over...this is just the most visible of many examples.
It’s a very simple solution. As long as the current ridiculous drinking age is still 21, thereby making 3/4’s of all college students guilty of underage drinking, all fraternity and sorority organizations should disassociate from universities. You can carry a weapon and go to war, but you can’t legally have a been. That law was passed during the Reagan admin because of alcohol related driving deaths for this age group. This group is now taking Uber out for their night partying, pretty consistently. This law needs to change.
Two frames here. First, who is right legally. While I am sympathetic to the plaintiffs, Harvard may be within its rights to create certain rules that must be followed in order to enjoy fully student opportunities and privileges. I don't know but that's what the court will have to decide. Second, is it a good policy for a higher educational institution that allegedly prizes diversity, free thought, freedom of association, self-exploration and the like? That answer to me is clear cut: The policy is far more antithetical than promoting of those ideals.
I propose the following: every faculty member that belongs to a single gender organization should immediately lose tenure. Any current or previous member of leadership should lose all retirement benefits and the ability to serve as a board member or trustee of any other organization. They are perfectly able to join and participate, they just lose access to certain privileges...
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So your argument and suggestions are based on a false analogy.
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Harvard administration moved to the current coercion with penalties enforced, I believe on its face in violation of the basic right of peaceful assembly by students as they chose. One professor put forth a motion to vote that Harvard was in fact in violation of this basic civil right. It was seen as too powerful and withdrawn.
Harvard’s motto is VERITAS – TRUTH in Latin. I see Harvard’s legal arguments very far from the truth of what is now forced upon student choice and why it is happening.
Harvard’s “solution” is worse than the problem.
Harvard’s motto is VERITAS – TRUTH in Latin.
Here's the joke: why, on the Harvard shield, do they break the word VERITAS up into three parts?
Ans: They can't stomach the truth whole!!
-What, sir?
-You’re out! Finished at Faber! Expelled! I want you off this campus Monday morning.
That law was passed during the Reagan admin because of alcohol related driving deaths for this age group. This group is now taking Uber out for their night partying, pretty consistently. This law needs to change.